The Sane
When I was 14, my buddies and I took a gun safety course over a couple consecutive weekends. We were all excited: the goal was that coveted prize known as an FID (Firearms Identification) card. With one of those babies, we could get a gun permit that would allow us to carry shotguns for hunting. It was one of the early “road to adulthood” milestones: I still have my original one, laminated & locked away in the same strongbox as my high school & college diplomas.
I loved hunting back then. I liked the small-game hunting, that was the really fun stuff. We hunted with our purebred beagles, awesome dogs. Repeated Kennel Club champions, they’d chase those rabbits all through the fields, trying to run them in front of us. It was our job to pay attention to the howling and predict where the fluffy little bastard would appear and shoot it as cleanly as we could without endangering the dog. That was a sport, and I loved it.
Our Hero
Pheasant hunting was great, too. We still used the beagles, but the dogs didn’t really give a damn about the birds. We just hoped the dogs would stumble across one, while they were sniffing around the underbrush, and flush the bird into the air so we could take a shot. We also had some friends with real “birder” dogs, that added a neat dynamic to it.
I was never that big on deer hunting. First, in the era before global warming, it was always friggin’ cold! Second, it was far too serious. People would prepare for months to go deer hunting, gathering & maintaining their gear, plotting out their vacation days, stocking up on food & firewood, getting supplies. We also took a nowadays-unconventional approach: we’d actually walk the woods and track the deer, which would lead us miles and miles into the woods where, if we did get a good shot, meant we had miles out of the woods to drag the ruddy carcass back to the truck. It could be hard work, and had dangers of its own, but I consider that true hunting. I’m sorry, modern deer hunters, but riding out in your ATV to sit in a tree stand with heat packs up your ass and a high-powered rifle with scope watching a known deer trail is for pussies. Get your ass out of the tree & track a deer for 12 miles and then I’ll be impressed. 😉
Wuss
I stopped hunting in my early 20s, partly because I had a falling out with my dad and partly because I found I enjoyed the “walking in the woods” part far more than I enjoyed the “blowing the little bastard’s head off in a clean shot” part. It just wasn’t my thing. But I still have absolutely nothing against hunters, even the tree-standers. Hunting is a sport, even though technology doesn’t make it that much of a challenge anymore. It also has real purposes. Deer really are vermin, even if they are adorable, and in the absence of predators they can get out of control and destroy forests & crops. Hunting also rewards one with food, and even though most of us “suburbanites” can head to our nearest Outback for sustenance, hunting is still an important source of food in our rural communities. I’ve been in some of these poor rural areas and listened to some of these folks, and they definitely hunt & fish to supplement a generally poor diet.
Hunting still has a real need, and although sometimes hunting may need to be restricted for biodiversity reasons, I’ll never support any gun control measures that curtail hunting. The same goes for other, legitimate gun sports like competitive shooting (skeet, etc.). Guns are needed in rural areas for protection from coyotes and what-not as well (asking an Alaskan to give up his rifle would be like asking him to jump off a tall building). So let’s leave these people be.
The Understandable
I can relate to hunters, but I do have trouble relating to the “personal protection” crowd. These are the people who buy handguns (and only handguns, see next section) for protection for themselves, their loved ones, and their homesteads. Unlike hunting, I don’t have a good frame of reference or any experience in the matter. I’ve never hung out with cops, or took self-defense firearms courses, and I don’t study up on the topic. But looking at it from a distance, as objectively as I can, I see many reasons why a personal handgun won’t really help you.
Most robberies occur when no one is home, and the thing that’s most likely to be stolen is your handgun. Most owners don’t seek the training they’d need to really use the weapon defensively (range target practice alone is NOT adequate for that). And the circumstances where a handgun really would help you seem to be narrow: you need to be awake, your gun needs to be handy, you need to have a shot, the criminal needs to be intimidated enough to run, etc. Plus you need to be cool and collected and professional (most people can’t even drive their cars professionally!).
Yeah, that’ll work
I also see many more reasons where having a handgun in the house can be a really bad idea (when your depressed, drunken brother-in-law shows up out of nowhere and rummages through your stuff; or when your 5-year-old finds it where you left it when the dog distracted you by pissing on the carpet on gun-cleaning day); and only a few “perfect storm” moments where it will help you (you’re awake, the criminal sees you have one, and doesn’t have a death wish, etc.).
But, in the end, I may have an intellectual problem with the effectiveness, but I don’t have a philosophical problem with handguns-as-protection. It is entirely possible to own & use one appropriately and safely, and the risks posed by most varieties of handguns are at least counter-balanced by the risks they prevent. There are, undoubtedly, situations where a handgun can help you. There are anecdotes all over the place, and some (often disputed but at least believable) statistics showing it to be the case. And heaven knows we live in a dangerous world full of rapists & murders. In the end, we do have a fundamental right to protect ourselves, and handguns can be one mechanism to do that.
The Bat-Shit Crazy
So I called this post “gun owners scare the crap outta me”, and so far have blabbed on at length about how gun owners don’t bother me. It’s because the first group are “hunters/sportsmen” and the second group is, hmmm, “cautious homesteaders”?? (gads, that’s awful.) The point is the prior two groups are not categorized by their gun ownership. It is not their identity. They are people who have other identities who happen to own guns for one reason or another.
“Gun Owners”, by contrast (and I’ll use the capital letters for clarity), are those whose very identity is tied up in their guns. These are the vocal, the loud, the proud, and (in my opinion) the friggin’ ridiculous. These are people so focused on their gun ownership to the point of obsession, fetishism, and being creepy as all get-out. It’s like the difference between a woman who keeps a few china dolls from her childhood, and a woman who has 8,000 of the freaky-assed things on every shelf, all of them staring at you while you’re trying to enjoy your corn flakes. One is kinda cute, the other is a get-me-the-hell-out-of-here, bat-shit crazy.
Adorable
OMFG, What the Hell?!?
It is very easy to detect when someone has descended into madness, any kind of madness, either in whole or in part. All you have to do is listen to their logic and their justification for their position. You talk to the woman with 8 china dolls, and she’ll tell you where she got them, what favorite aunt bought her which one when she had her first Communion, and what not. You talk to the woman with 8,000 china dolls and she’ll tell you how they all talk to her when she’s sleeping. One is sane and one is crazy. Talk to a hoarder, and she’ll explain how she may someday need to save a drowning man with that bucket of gum wrappers and those Time magazines from 1987. Talk to an alcoholic and he’ll explain how “it really helps him relax and meet people” as he stares at you through yellow eyes while his Impala is wrapped around a telephone pole. Extremists come up with the craziest of ideas, stuff they certainly believe to be true but under no circumstances passes any sort of test of fact or logic.
This is how I feel about Gun Owners. I listen to their conversations and arguments, and I can’t help but think something is horribly, horribly wrong with them. Let me go through a few of my favorites.
“I Own an Assault Weapon”
So let’s just start here, and let’s not quibble about the definition of “assault weapon”. One of the biggest misdirections of the whole debate is defining that term (although I guess if you’re going to legislate it then you need to define it, fair point). But Gun Owners know full well what the rest of us mean: it’s any gun that is designed for the sole purpose of killing a shitload of people. Large-capacity clips, rapid fire, high caliber, silencers, etc., etc., whatever. All items worthless for hunting and way beyond the notion of personal protection (more on that later). These weapons have no other purpose than killing a bunch of people (actually, there is one other, but I’ll come back to that, too). They certainly aren’t meant for keeping squirrels out of the bird feeder.
“Suck on this, you nut-gathering bastards!”
If you own an assault rifle, you bought it for one reason: so you can kill a lot of people. Sure, in your head you may think up any reason you can, but the bottom line is you’ve bought a weapon designed to kill a lot of people and, deep-down, that’s what you want to do with it. You’re just egging for a fight, an excuse, and you’ll take it. Here’s why: sane people don’t buy things to not use them. I recently bought a Sawz-All to renovate my kitchen. I bought it to cut up countertops and cabinets. I didn’t buy it for “practice” or “because it’s my right” or “it looked good on my shelf”. I bought it to cut up stuff, and Gun Owners bought their assault weapons to kill people (in reality or “just in case”, it doesn’t matter). They shouldn’t insult our intelligence by making up any other reason.
“I Need It for Protection”
Another statement I can’t get my head around. When it comes to any form of protection, even things like sprinkler systems and door locks, you have to balance out protection vs. risk vs. cost vs. practicality. Home fire extinguishers are a great idea. Home sprinkler systems are available but also require maintenance and improperly done could flood your house. Wrapping the whole thing in asbestos is crazy. Same applies to personal protection weapons.
You want to deter or prevent the bad guy. Understandable. A handgun is concealable, pretty accurate in trained hands, and easily controlled. You can keep it in the nightstand or in your purse or under the seat. You can access it pretty quickly. And if something goes horribly wrong the caliber and capacity is low enough that it will be bad for you but perhaps not catastrophic to society. And if it’s stolen, well, that’s bad too but at least it’s only a 10 or 12 shooter and has a limited caliber & feature set.
So what do you do with an assault weapon? Can’t hide that in your purse! A good robber — one who waits until the house is empty — is gonna see that thing and steal it straight away. Unless you have it in a gun safe, but then it’s not much use as a personal protection device, eh? Oh, you’re going to be 100% careful to leave it available when you’re home and lock it when you’re out? And you’ve never locked your keys in your car either? And let’s say you do encounter a burglar/rapist in your house. Are you really going to light up the joint with 30, 50, or 100 rounds in a rapid-fire mode? Seriously? Hope your wife & kids aren’t in the next room. And don’t say “I can shoot it accurately”. You can shoot it accurately at a range under controlled circumstances, maybe. Unless you’ve had years of urban warfare training, you ain’t gonna be able to shoot jack when you’re walking through your dark house in your boxer shorts as you step on your kids’ Legos. There’s gonna be bullets flying all over the friggin’ place.
“I’ve always hated that avocado tile in the bathroom anyway”
I don’t see any realistic home-invasion scenario where an assault rifle is better than a personal handgun for protection, and see plenty where the overkill is far more dangerous than not even having anything. And let’s not even talk about the ramifications if one gets stolen by a criminal or discovered by your drunken, pissed-off brother-in-law.
“It’s Our Right and We Must Use It”
This one really gets to me. It preys on our fundamental core values: our own liberties. It’s a cheap shot, actually.
First, let me point out the obvious. All our rights have limits. You can’t use your freedom of speech to slander another or cause a riot. You can’t use your freedom of press to libel another. You can’t use freedom of religion as an excuse to control, imprison, or defraud people. Liberty stops when exercise of that liberty harms another, even the Founding Fathers understood that.
But here’s the real deal. All rights should be exercised responsibly. Sure, you have the right to do stuff, but that doesn’t make it right. You have the freedom of speech, but sometimes you need to stop talking. You have the freedom of the press, but printing out 20,000 copies of your Kaczynski-esque manifesto and spreading it around town is just a wee bit ridiculous. Your freedom of religion doesn’t mean you should sacrifice live goats in the public square and paint swastikas in blood on your foreheads. Those behaviors are crazy and ridiculous, so is the Gun Owner’s desire to have weapons whose only purpose is to kill a lot of people. It’s ridiculous, and they damned well know it. This isn’t about “government squashing our rights”, this is about acting responsibly and keeping an entire class of weapons whose one and only purpose is killing a lot of people out of circulation.
Not only that, but by Gun Owners not acting responsibly and keeping these wholly ludicrous and dangerous weapons off the market permanently means that other bat-shit crazy bozos can also stockpile these things. So that means more and more, in a never-ending escalation, until everyone is at risk from everyone else!
Your Neighbor’s Living Room
Not acting responsibly is one symptom of mental illness. Just saying …
“We Have a Duty to Stand Up to Our Government”
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That’s my reply when a Gun Owner says “we have a duty to stand up to our government” (or the U.N. or the CIA or whatever).
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It leaves me absolutely speechless. This is an argument so patently ridiculous, so baseless, it cause a full-synapse reboot.
This is not Guatemala. This is not Venezuela. This is not the Congo or Afghanistan. For crying out loud, this is America! And hate it or not, there is no reasonable scenario where our Armed Forces or police forces are going to put us under martial law or anything. It’s tin-foil-hat wearing nonsense, utter and stupid.
And don’t go tossing out Ruby Ridge, Waco, or other, similar occurrences. These are people who instigated trouble and then fought it and they were slaughtered. The notion that you are going to fight a war with the police or the FBI or the National Guard and end up anything other than a puddle of moisture is ridiculous. I don’t care how many rifles you own. Also don’t toss out the “accidental arrest” situation, where the cops have the wrong address and break down your door. It happens and it sucks, but are you really going to start shooting at them? Have a nice trip to the afterlife.
Even the crickets are speechless
Here’s the real deal: what is the greater likelihood, the real risk-benefit analysis? That the government is going to run roughshod over our rights in jackbooted fashion, and that you can fight back; or that the bozo next door with his cache of assault weapons — weapons that Gun Owners demanded remain on the market — is going to go nutso and shoot up the neighborhood because his girlfriend dumped him.
The latter is by far the likelier scenario.
What really gets to me is these folks are running around saying “it’s our right!” Well, what about my rights! The right not to live in a culture of fear where at any moment some nutjob is gonna freak out because Hostess stops making Twinkies and decides to shoot up a 7-Eleven on a lark. It’s bad enough having to tolerate handguns, at least those have a purpose and have reasonable limitations. Having all these outrageous weapons is just begging for trouble. Why should I have to face that in my own life simply because the Gun Owners only care about their rights?
As a side note, I’ve found that the real Gun Owner, while defending his right to own whatever gun he wants, is also the guy who’ll tell you not to vote. Go figure.
“I Like My Guns”
Yes! Huzzah! Finally, if you get one to admit this is why they want a 100% free 2nd Amendment, you have an intellectually honest Gun Owner!
Of course people like their guns. They are exciting to shoot! It’s a rush, there is no denying. And, in the end, this is the only reason people own these assault weapons: they like the rush.
What else is a rush? Gambling. Methamphetamines. Auto-erotic asphyxiation.
This is another cause of chronic, illogical thinking: constant exposure to addictive substances or actions. It is my belief that some people are addicted to firing weapons, and continue to spout nonsense statements like these because of that addiction. They are hooked on the rush of firing these weapons. Call it what you want, it’s an addiction, and like all addictions, it’s harmful.
At least you’re only killing yourself
I grew up in an alcoholic family. I’ve heard so many addiction-inspired lies and nonsense from alcoholic parents, grandparents, aunts & uncles, I can spot them a mile away. It’s a lie so incredibly shallow and so blatantly obvious it’s insulting to your intelligence that someone would try to pull it on you, but it’s a lie so believable in their universe because of the physical or psychology effects of addiction. It the type of lie that sets me off, causes me to tense up with such rage because it is so directly insulting. This is exactly the type of feeling I get from Gun Owners when they spout off the NRA’s talking points.
This is also why the gun lobby makes such little sense to us, but such tremendous sense to the Gun Owner: their only answer to anything is “let’s have more guns”. They are the pushers of this addictive substance. They’re making a lot of money from gun sales, and they know what sells guns: the rush of shooting them and the fear of other guns! Go ahead, Gun Owner. Ask yourself honestly “why did I buy this high-powered weapon”. It’s either a) you get a huge rush shooting the damned thing, or b) you are afraid that someone else has one and you wanted something that would kill them first. This is the real trap that the gun lobby has set, it’s insidious in its design: they sell the only product where selling more to person A guarantees more will be sold to persons B, C, and D. Normally drug dealers try to get you hooked to sell more to you, but the gun lobby tries to get you hooked so they can sell to someone else because that person is now afraid of you! This is a far more effective model than any drug or cult, with far greater marketing potential!
Don’t think for a moment the NRA and other groups are protecting the 2nd Amendment. They are funded by and working for the gun industry, whose only goal is to sell more weapons.
The Summary
And so now we come back to the title of this post: Gun Owners Scare the Crap Outta Me. It’s very simply summarized as follows:
We have an entire segment of the population who’s logic and sanity is in question because of an addiction-like fascination with very dangerous weapons. And that scares the wholly hell out of me. Much more so than U.N. black helicopters.
How did we end up here??
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[This post will probably get me killed. Ah well, it’s been a good life. My will is up to date, and for your information, none of you are in it. :-P]
[Edit 2: it has been pointed out to me all the inner-city violence is linked to handguns, not to assault rifles. This is very true, and has definitely added more to think about. However, inner-city violence is a different animal and requires completely different solutions than the random mass-shooting incidents that inspired this point.]
I’m going to assume some of this might be directed to me (and probably rightly so; I’m pretty vocal about 2nd Amendment issues). And my family doesn’t quite understand why I get so worked up since I don’t own what is termed an “assault weapon”, or even a handgun. I very occasionally go target shooting (plinking) and deer hunting (though not in the last year) with my scope-less lever rifle. I guess at the core of it, I would be open to some compromise (limits, if you will) if it wasn’t for the likes of Diane Feinstein, Carolyn McCarthy and others who are always pushing for their ultimate goal of complete disarmament. The old saying “give an inch, they take a mile” is very real with these people. I’d have a smidgen of more respect for them if they would just try to repeal the 2nd Amendment instead of all this punative legislation they insist on (and if you want a better AWB, word it that AR and AK platform rifles, pistols and shotguns are banned instead of using cosmetic features which don’t have any true mechanical function).
Well, I might as well start off with the Hitler argument….
“…And hate it or not, there is no reasonable scenario where our Armed Forces or police forces are going to put us under martial law or anything. It’s tin-foil-hat wearing nonsense, utter and stupid….”
This is what the majority of Germans thought, even as Hitler rose to power based on the much publicised idea of protecting and safeguarding ‘the Homeland’ from various overhyped external and internal threats. One of Hitler’s first actions was to disarm the German population. The rest, as they say, is history.
If you plot all the examples of ‘police state’ type behaviour on a graph, starting in the 90’s through to 2013, you will see a huge and rapid increase in the degree and severity of police state tactics being implemented to control and manage society. The idea of officials fondling children’s crotches for bombs would have seemed crazy and paranoid in the late 90’s, yet it hardly raises an eyebrow today.
Students being pepper sprayed, old war vets being tasered, phone tapping, internet surveillance, random checkpoints, militarised police, spy drone deployment by the police, massive increases in government powers to detain, torture and murder without charge, microwave weapons, bills defining US citizens as enemy combatants, the huge increases in military budgets ….. etc etc….. these are all part of ‘society’ now.
Having plotted all of these points, now draw a line through them and keep extending this line beyond 2013. Eventually this line WILL reach the point of total Orwellian police state. This is not exactly rocket science. To say it won’t is to deny reality as it stands today.
So the issue actually has nothing to do ‘tin foil hats’. It has to do with raw empirical data, statistics, hard facts. And the question which needs to be asked is what *specific* factor(s) is going to stop this line from continuing on its journey towards a full on police state?
Saying “Yes but it will never happen to us” is not a valid answer, it’s happened many, many, many, many times throughout history and in every case people at the time always said “Yes but it will never happen to us”.
The trend is clear, and to be frank, the onus is on people like you to prove why (specifically) we are NOT going to end up in a full on, high tech, militarised police state when ALL THE EMPIRICAL DATA shows us heading in precisely that direction with ever increasing speed.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but your ‘argument’ seems to be based fundamentally on the premise that “they” (people in power, which includes but is not limited to people in government) “would never never persecute and oppress us” for moral reasons (after all, they certainly have the weapons at their disposal to persecute and oppress all of society).
This moral argument also fails to take into account the actual evidence. The people in power routinely sanction drone strikes which have a 98% civilian murder rate, they have started illegal genocidal wars which murdered a million people – all based on lies (on made up conspiracy theories about WMD’s). They arm foreign dictators and enslave third world countries with debt as a matter of course. They destroy the environment and the economy for their own profit. In short, they murder, steal, lie and torture.
If you think ‘they’ would never impose a high tech militarised police state to control the population – given half a chance – then, again, I ask you what actual EVIDENCE or LOGIC do you have to back up such a belief?
Throughout history there have been only two things which have limited governments in their attempt to create violent empires…. (1) economic collapse and (2) good guys armed with guns. Often BOTH are required before fascistic regimes are brought down.
It might be helpful to clarify exactly what (if anything) you are advocating here. The idea of ‘obsessive’ gun owners might scare the crap out of you, but I bet they account for 0.1% of gun crime in the US.
The majority of gun crime in the US is gang-on-gang related, involves youths from broken homes and occurs in just a few cities. This kind of gun crime is the result of various government social programs and government wealth redistributions programs (AKA welfare). These are imposed onto society by force (at gunpoint) by governments.
In this way we see that organising society through violence tends to lead to social dysfunction and thus more violence. It’s a vicious circle.
Your average ‘redneck’ with a penchant for weapons poses no significant threat to anybody statistically speaking (except would-be criminals, would-be mafia, would be-tyrants and would-be authoritarian governments).
By contrast, governments are estimated to have been responsible for 250,000,000 deaths over the last century NOT including government sponsored wars. (wars being ONLY possible and advantageous* due to government taxation – which is extracted using coercion and violence).
* ‘advantageous’ because without a government run tax system already in place there is virtually no incentive to invade a country. You simply cannot invade a country without a centralised tax system, you can only ride in as a tourist in a tank 😉
In light of the actual figures (facts), I wonder, are you afraid of governments?
How many massacres of children by governments (soldiers, drone strikes, white phosphorus, depleted uranium etc) do we see dominating the news in the way that Sandy Hook has?
What is ‘gun control’ anyway? It is the state confiscating guns from people at gunpoint.
You may fear certain gun owners, but would you feel morally justified buying a gun and building a cage in your back garden and then going round to a gun owner’s house and threatening them with your gun and demanding they hand over their guns to you? And what if they refused? What if they tell you to please remove yourself from their property? Would you start shooting? Would you attempt to kidnap the gun owner for disobeying you and lock him up in your cage as punishment?
Unless you feel morally justified in behaving this rather extreme and violent way you cannot advocate or petition or willingly fund a government to behave in this way ON YOUR BEHALF.
Do you think gun owners are scared of ‘voters’. Of course they are! They are scared that voters will give consent for the government to come round and start pointing guns at them!
Do you think you might be misinterpreting these more ‘vocal’ gun owners’ intense fear of government violence directed towards them…..violence which has been sanctioned by millions of do-gooding, propagandised, fearful, irrational, confused and misled ‘voters’?
Whether some gun owners are unhealthily obsessed with guns or not is hardly relevant. People are unhealthily obsessed with fast cars and I bet (statistically) they do FAR more damage with their cars each year on the roads than fanatical gun owners ever do with their guns. Perhaps, the government should send round armed thugs to confiscate all fast cars at gunpoint too?
Or perhaps they should outlaw gambling at gun point too?
Or perhaps they should spend billions of tax dollars outlawing the ownership of certain bits of vegetation at gunpoint too? ….oh wait, they already do that…
As with ALL government prohibitions a ‘war on guns’ will achieve only negative results. By definition, the only people who will surrender their guns will be law abiding citizens. Thus the proportion of gun owners who are criminally orientated will INCREASE. When people see a violent crime being committed their fist impulse is to call for good guys with guns (AKA cops) to come over and deal with it. The greatest effect of gun control will be to disarm good guys (law abiding citizens) with guns.
A largely disarmed population will make criminals (with their illegal guns) feel able to act with even more impunity (less fear of being stopped by some random law abiding gun owner). This will cause the public to demand more armed police to make up for all the law abiding citizens who have now been disarmed. To pay for these police taxes will have to be raised (taxes which are obtained at gunpoint too).
State gun control IS gun violence. I suggest we let the evidence, statistics and facts determine what and who scares the crap out of us.
Thanks for the comments.
As a rule, especially on contentious topics like this, I won’t do any rebuttals myself, but will just let the comments stand and let the readers decide for themselves.
Also as a rule, I do approve all comments before they are posted, but all I check for is a) they’re not spam, b) they’re not “hate”, and c) they’re actually intelligible. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me.
I do appreciate that your comments were respectful, in fact my own original post was probably worse in that department. 😛
I thank you Barky for this article. I don’t get the privilege of hearing to many anti gun activists. It’s quite the eye opener to see yours and others like you’ point of view. However, I respectfully have to disagree with you for more then a few reasons. Please forgive me, I did not read other peoples comments so I don’t know if I’m repeating what they have already said. Also I’m not going to go into to much detail nor am I going to talk about everything you started. Also please hear me out, I am pretty opened minded and if you can provide proof i’ll listen and I hope you and everyone else does the same.
First of all when people start debating a point and start swearing in their argument it’s easy for them to lose their credibility. So word of advice, choose your words a little more carefully next time.
Second, I admire that you are honest and admit that you are not an expert on gun owners, but that also makes it hard for me to listen to you because you are talking about a topic that you don’t truly understand.
Yes, shooting guns gives you a rush and so does gambling and all those other bad things you stated. But you know what else gives people a rush? Mt biking, racing, games, movies, skydiving, and of course don’t forget SEX. its not reasonable to conclude that these people are crazy, sick, and are addicted to guns.
Also yes guns are meant to kill people. They weren’t invented for sport or hunting they were designed to kill. Sure for sport is a fun after perk, but the main reason is to kill. Yes an AR 15 isn’t a practical gun to walk around with all the time. But in the unlikely event that if I was ever in a firefight, I would choose an AR 15 over my handgun or shotgun any day and this why. An Ar 15 shoots an high velocity round that is smaller then your typical handgun round. Because of this, High Velocity rounds have much greater range, but do less damage. Studies show that when you shoot a .223 round or a 5.56 round through a house, due to the small size of the round and high velocity, the round will break up and won’t go through as many walls. Unlike a hand gun or shotgun slug which has a much greater size bullet and will actually go through more walls and do more damaged to a person. Also, shotguns and hand guns are limited in magazine capacity, and its been proven that you can shoot someone 6 or 10 times and they can still run away or hurt you. Also, what if there were multiple attackers? I would much rather have a weapon that has more rounds of ammunition and a much less likely hood of injuring near by innocent people.
One more thing, to call people crazy nut jobs that have tin foil hats is immature and lacks a basic understanding of history (no offense). In 1945 right after japan attacked us, our military was severally crippled. Japan was going to launch a main land invasion but did not because one of the Japanese Commanders was well aware of how well armed the American people were. Which back then, civilians were much better armed then they are now days. Also to think that we would never end up in a disaster scenario is foolish. Look at history and modern day news. Disasters happen where the government cant protect you all the time! if there was no government around to protect me from bad guys, you better be damn sure that I’d own a AR15 for self defense. Also as for the government, to say this is America and we will never have to fight the federal government is ignorant. Look at History. How the hell do you think we over came England? We fought them with guns! We the american people took on the most powerful nation in the world to ensure our freedom. Sure our forefathers aren’t perfect but no one is. And they made it very clear why we have the bill of rights. It’s to restrict the people, It’s to restrict the government. Go ahead and call me crazy but I truly believe that the Government should fear its people and do what the people demand. Not the other way around. If you value your freedom, then you should understand why the bill of rights is there in the first place. If the government didn’t fear us, they would do whatever they wanted without question, and to think they wouldn’t do anything in your best interest is nonsense. People are selfish and power hungry. Humans are generally known for putting themselves first before others.
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I like this title! I feel that way, too. It’s scary to think of vocalizing a desire for fewer guns floating around in society because of the quick vitriol that comes from gun lovers. Whew. It’s rough … AND they have guns!!! Scary. Other first world countries do fine without guns.
If someone thinks that guns will protect them from the government then why aren’t they lobbying for private ownership of grenades, bombs, anti-aircraft weapons, tanks, etc. because that’s what one would need to fight off a government with the strongest military in the entire world (several times over.)
Living in a country awash with millions and millions of guns is so frightening to me. really scary!
In general we run the very real risk every day of getting shot at the mall, or while driving on the highway, or at a theater – anywhere really – by an American with a gun, than being attacked individually by a foreign terrorist. That’s the risk we all take tomorrow when we walk out the door.
If we want to defend ourselves with guns, we’d have to be ready every single minute of every day to draw a gun very quickly and start shooting — and we’d better be really good shots and hopefully not kill innocent civilians. How could we live like this. When you’re at the movie theater and the lights go down, do you watch the movie and relax or do you constantly scan the doors and watch out for a shooter who might enter right behind you, or to the right or the left or the front or…. If, on the other hand, you’re relaxing, living your life, watching a movie, you’ve got your hand in the popcorn box getting all buttery and greasy how does having a gun help if someone busts in from behind and starts peppering everyone with assault rifle bullets.
Time and again we hear about people at these mass shootings who had guns but didn’t use them. A couple of reasons I heard when these people were interviewed are: they didn’t want to hurt any innocent bystanders and cause more damage (person with a concealed gun in Tucson parking lot at Gifford’s shooting), they couldn’t discern exactly where the shooter was (Aurora), they didn’t want their bullets hit others since they could ricochet off so many surfaces. Usually the arguments I’ve heard are about not creating additional collateral damage. Someone with a concealed gun in Oregon said he was too far away from the shooting, was worried police might think he was with the gunman, didn’t want to harm the people close to him.
What has worked in most of these mass shootings is: trained police intervention and bystanders physically tackling the gunman (in Tucson while he was reloading, in France in a combined effort!)
Our society is so scary because there are 100s of millions of guns in it – I don’t understand it. (But I do understand well-regulated gun use for people who hunt or those who live in very rural areas and need self-protection even from animals, etc) I just don’t know what the answer is. I just know it scares me.
Which American town will grieve the next mass shooting … and which family will lose another person tonight (our city’s news program counts the numbers of gun murders every year in a very matter-of-fact way: “Another shooting last night, another person dead… That’s the 42cnd shooting death this year.” We become numb to it. Although when the little children get shot in a drive-by as collateral damage we may stop for a moment and feel sad.
What can we do? The aftermath of Newton (No change whatsoever, gun sales spike and gun owners shouting for more guns, more guns, more guns!!!!)shocked and scared me, also made me feel very sad. It’s depressing.
Again, I like the title of your article. Thanks for writing it, especially from the prospective of someone with gun experience!